Jockey's Chestburster

[Notbadforahuman]

Very true, very true...
I was more or less putting it out as a point of interest (it does look pretty... interesting, if you haven't already seen it) - but you are right, its not really "official canon" just cos fox crapped it out and slapped the aliens trademark on it

(I for one think things like that are only truly "official" when created or approved by the original directors/visionaries - not just as a marketing scheme - though the flying aliens on the toy line WERE pretty cool)

[Van Leuwen]

I always thought the chestburster that came out of the jockey had adapted to the host, and was naturally more "beefy". He had the strength to burst, because that's what he HAD to do.

And I know there are other ways to mummify tissue. Like cold temps, certain arid conditions, etc. So Dallas' observation of the jockey being "fossilized" was just a grunt's way of saying "well preserved".

That's how I justify the human/jockey size difference. And Dallas' comments on the jockey preservation issue.

[Mustafuck]

Originally Posted by Van Leuwen

I always thought the chestburster that came out of the jockey had adapted to the host, and was naturally more "beefy". He had the strength to burst, because that's what he HAD to do.

And I know there are other ways to mummify tissue. Like cold temps, certain arid conditions, etc. So Dallas' observation of the jockey being "fossilized" was just a grunt's way of saying "well preserved".

That's how I justify the human/jockey size difference. And Dallas' comments on the jockey preservation issue.

on that subject, and something I still don't come to understand. If what we see "fossilized" is the suit, then where is the being inside?, the jockey was thought since the firts day (by Giger mainly) to be a creature. I don't know how is Scott gonna handle this unless the very chair ends up being a "devourer" or something like that, I mean like It eventually absorbed the already dead being inside the suit, (for what purpose, inseminating the eggs with his DNA?) btw suit I'm starting to believe It grows directly from the chair.

@_ShadowRaptor: on topic about the jockey chestburster, I think It might be that "serpent" being some people have managed to see in the old teasers, problem is that the image is too blurry, but It is definitely a serpent like thing which body colour is like Giger-alien dome. Could this mean (as long as that wasn't a big proto-chestburster) that the basic form of the adult alien is a serpent- like being, and when Jockey's DNA is supposedly mixed with the eggs on the derelict this race (the aliens) gained their "humanoid" form?,

I say this because Scott has already mentioned that Jockey's DNA is in all eggs aboard Derelict, which BTW is already exciting stuff on Its own since our beloved Giger-alien becomes a part jockey "thing" now. This also helps the old belief that the jockeys and the aliens should be more similar than we could have ever guess. What I wasn't really expecting is that the jockeys might be parasitical too, but Kudos to Scott If is ends up being that, hell yes!

I believe the chair absorbs the engineer after dying to extract his own DNA and mix It with the eggs aboard derelict to..., preserve his own seed or something like that?, Only this might explain we see no remains bellow the "fossilized" suit. The chestburster should be born before all this happens of course.

[Maphisto86]

I like your idea Musta that the chair connects with the "pilot" physically and so is kind of a biomechanical device/augmentation. Throughout the films the Xenos themselves are often hinted as being biomechanical in nature themselves so it would make sense at least from the creatures descended from the "Space Jockey" at least. Although the entire species itself are probably biomechanical if they were born from "Jockey" technology. Wonder if Prometheous will end before the "pilot" chestburster emerges or continue to reveal what happened to that first creature. So far the trailers show those alien containers (and a giant sculpt of a human face?) instead of the xeno eggs.

[Van Leuwen]

Well, hopefully, ALL will be answered AND will fit nicely into established canon! For me, I always hoped the jockeys were nice, but unlucky crew, like the Nostromo crew.

Gonna be an interesting summer. But for now, I need an Advil. My brain hurts with all this thinking.............

[Mustafuck]

Originally Posted by Maphisto86

I like your idea Musta that the chair connects with the "pilot" physically and so is kind of a biomechanical device/augmentation. Throughout the films the Xenos themselves are often hinted as being biomechanical in nature themselves so it would make sense at least from the creatures descended from the "Space Jockey" at least. Although the entire species itself are probably biomechanical if they were born from "Jockey" technology. Wonder if Prometheous will end before the "pilot" chestburster emerges or continue to reveal what happened to that first creature. So far the trailers show those alien containers (and a giant sculpt of a human face?) instead of the xeno eggs.

Scott has said many times that the aliens was a natural species that hadn't nothing to do with the jockeys, so I'm led to believe the following:

Do you see the Giger-alien head and Its grey dome?, I think the aliens were just that thing but bigger and, of course, capable of moving somehow (like serpents?). Once the engineer mixed his own DNA with alien species DNA, the alien was changed and gained a biomechanical body structure, which would vary depending on the host being quadruped or humanoid.

I think that, once, the alien species didn't even have the second step of Its life cycle, I mean the chestburster form step we all know about and love . I think chestbursters are the way they have to finishing the combination of Its host DNA with Its own after Jockey's DNA was mixed with Its species giving them body structure; then the adult form is produced hours later, and the outcome is a creature based on the Jockey (the biomechanical body), the alien species (the GREY DOMED banana-head), and the unlucky host (overall and final form of the newborn alien). I mean the "pure" alien we might probably see in the film was born in its adult form directly (with the serpent form), and the classic chestburster is like a farcry of the true alien form (and smaller) before the mix between host, alien and jockey species DNA is complete and the final form is produced, the adult alien we have seen in the films.

Jockey's (engineer's) DNA is now always present in the alien species in the form of their classic biomechanical body, or at least in all those aliens that can be produced with the eggs aboard the derelict. The rest is up to the host and the alien species.

Those are my final thoughts on the alien.

[Shadow Raptor]

Just wondering about the lack of a chestburster though in Alien 3? In the first two Aliens movies, the chestburster is clearly a serpent of sorts, while in the 3rd one its mostly in its adult form. Granted its smaller, but wouldn't if what you say is true and the chestburster is from the Jockeys (so to speak): would it not stay in its serpent form and only take its host characteristics during its final stage molting?

And nice post there Musta...got me thinkin..and making it hurt...lol.

[Van Leuwen]

Originally Posted by Shadow Raptor

Just wondering about the lack of a chestburster though in Alien 3? In the first two Aliens movies, the chestburster is clearly a serpent of sorts, while in the 3rd one its mostly in its adult form. Granted its smaller, but wouldn't if what you say is true and the chestburster is from the Jockeys (so to speak): would it not stay in its serpent form and only take its host characteristics during its final stage molting?

And nice post there Musta...got me thinkin..and making it hurt...lol.

I never thought about it much. But now that you mention it. Gosh, even the lame AVP's had chestbursters. Did you see both A3 versions? The extended version had the little guy jumping out of an ox. The whole movie had just enough extra to make a skooch more sense. Worth a look, for sure. I like it way more because of the added story line. And it had a bit of creepiness to it, because the added scenes were not fully finished, and was like watching "lost footage" stuff. Very cool.

[Mustafuck]

Originally Posted by Shadow Raptor

Just wondering about the lack of a chestburster though in Alien 3? In the first two Aliens movies, the chestburster is clearly a serpent of sorts, while in the 3rd one its mostly in its adult form. Granted its smaller, but wouldn't if what you say is true and the chestburster is from the Jockeys (so to speak): would it not stay in its serpent form and only take its host characteristics during its final stage molting?

And nice post there Musta...got me thinkin..and making it hurt...lol.

Thanks man. Anyway, remember that Scott is following his own lore, so alien 2 and 3 canon might end up being dropped. Yes, in alien3 the runner gained host traits without passing through Its chestburster form, but Scott didn't make alien 2 and 3. Also, the alien he (well Giger I mean) created had nothing to do with what we saw later in the sequels.

Whatever happens eventually in the film, the possibilty that the fusion between the Jockey/engineer species with the aliens is carried out entirely "in the chair" (while the Jockey is plugged to It) fancies me more and more as the one and only possibilty. Hell, I'm starting to even think that all those eggs might have been produced and then laid by the chair once the fusion of the Jockey/engineer and the alien species was complete, meaning this "bye bye Cameron's alien queen".

We know the egg chamber is right bellow the pilot's room and the chair, chair which btw we see emerging from bellow (the chamber) in the trailer. This could mean that the jockey can "navigate" (flying perhaps?, lol its the only way) over the chamber while connected to the chair. This chair might have some sort of hole right bellow It from where the already produced eggs containing a mixture of the two species were laid one by one in the chamber (with the jockey being still plugged to the chair and still piloting It, of course).

Or maybe the eggs were already there and the chair is a mere "inseminator" of the jockey's DNA into the eggs. With this, you all fans of Cameron and "Aliens" would see the alien queen idea being still safe and her continuity in the canon assured heheh

[Van Leuwen]

Originally Posted by Mustafuck

Thanks man. Anyway, remember that Scott is following his own lore, so alien 2 and 3 canon might end up being dropped. Yes, in alien3 the runner gained host traits without passing through Its chestburster form, but Scott didn't make alien 2 and 3. Also, the alien he (well Giger I mean) created had nothing to do with what we saw later in the sequels.

Whatever happens eventually in the film, the possibilty that the fusion between the Jockey/engineer species with the aliens is carried out entirely "in the chair" (while the Jockey is plugged to It) fancies me more and more as the one and only possibilty. Hell, I'm starting to even think that all those eggs might have been produced and then laid by the chair once the fusion of the Jockey/engineer and the alien species was complete, meaning this "bye bye Cameron's alien queen".

We know the egg chamber is right bellow the pilot's room and the chair, chair which btw we see emerging from bellow (the chamber) in the trailer. This could mean that the jockey can "navigate" (flying perhaps?, lol its the only way) over the chamber while connected to the chair. This chair might have some sort of hole right bellow It from where the already produced eggs containing a mixture of the two species were laid one by one in the chamber (with the jockey being still plugged to the chair and still piloting It, of course).

Or maybe the eggs were already there and the chair is a mere "inseminator" of the jockey's DNA into the eggs. With this, you all fans of Cameron and "Aliens" would see the alien queen idea being still safe and her continuity in the canon assured heheh

Good thinking, Sir!